[DAS] Status of Trellis/Ivy and DAS1 to DAS2 proxying

Fri Feb 4 21:29:29 UTC 2011

Gregg? Maybe you and I should talk about this. And perhaps you could get an idea when you are in Hinxton of what it takes to organize one of these.

Not a promise, but it might be possible for us to host this in Berkeley/Bay Area. We'll explore feasibility a bit more first. Be good to how many people might be interested.

-S

On Feb 4, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Andy Jenkinson wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> I guess one of the big reasons to want a proxy is it allows you to use DAS sources you don't control, which is obviously potentially a really big benefit with so many DAS/1 sources around. I don't know if this is what Jim is trying to achieve though. In truth this has always been the difficulty with the das/das2 tech divide really, with such a huge existing implementation base there's a very high "activation energy" in switching!
> 
> What was the issue with the ensembl servers?
> 
> Jon and I have talked a few times about organising a DAS workshop in North America, we just need someone to host (and to an extent fund) it. Do you have any suggestions? Almost all of the attendees for our workshops are from Europe, in fact lots are from Hinxton. So what sort of demand do you think there would be stateside for such an event? Enough for a standalone workshop, or more conducive to an add-on to or collaboration with another event?
> 
> Maybe we can look into webcasting the talks? No idea how to go about this though!
> 
> On 4 Feb 2011, at 19:13, David Nix wrote:
> 
>> Hello Jim,
>> 
>> If I make a suggestion.  If you're looking to visualize genomic data in IGB, it would be best to use a DAS/2 server such as the Classic (command line) or GenoPub (web app/ relational database) GenoViz DAS/2 server.  DAS/2 is well suited to moving large amounts of sliced graph (gr, sgr, bedgraph, wig, bar, useq...) and alignment data (ie BAM) to client apps.  We're continuing to develop the GenoPub DAS/2 server with 5 year grant support from NHLBI so expect continuing improvements (bulk uploading and file conversion, annotation via ontologies, super group visibility settings, additional file formats, etc.). See http://bioserver.hci.utah.edu/BioInfo/index.php/Software:DAS2  and our paper http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2105/11/455
>> 
>> GenoViz folks, correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe the GenoViz DAS/2 server supports  DAS xml datasets so moving data from a DAS/1 server to DAS/2 wouldn't require any data reformatting.  Although for large datasets, it's best to use one of the compressed binary data formats such as bar, bam, or useq.
>> 
>> IGB comes pre configured with the UCSC and Ensembl DAS/1 servers.  This works well for accessing their small annotation datasets (gene models: refseq, knowngenes), but the graph distribution wasn't functional the last I checked.  The problem appeared to be from the server side.
>> 
>> -cheers, David
>> 
>> P.S. I wish I could attend the DAS workshop this year and show you what we've been up to.  Any chance of getting a Skype conference call with posted presentations?  Would be great if someone hosted a DAS Workshop in the US.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/4/11 8:19 AM, "Gregg Helt" <gregghelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The core genomancer code is pretty stable, most of the recent work is
>> in plugins (and some work in the core to allow more extensive
>> plugins).
>> 
>> You should be able to get a working DAS1-->DAS2 proxy running from
>> the current head of the Trellis SVN repository -- you would just need
>> to add a web.xml config file with servlet parameters to get it going in a
>> servlet container like Tomcat, or alternatively run the built-in Jetty server
>> (ExampleJettyDas2Server) and edit servlet parameters directly in code.
>> 
>> But if the intent is to load DAS 1.x data into IGB, I don't think you
>> need to use Trellis.  Th latest IGB (6.4.1 loaded via WebStart)
>> already supports DAS 1.5 access.  In the "Data Access" tab, under
>> "Choose Data Sources and Data Sets" section click the "Configure"
>> button.  This brings up a window with a "Data Sources" tab, and in
>> that tab you can click the "Add" button to bring up a dialog that lets
>> you select "DAS" for the data source type, and enter the URL for a DAS
>> server.  This worked fine for loading data from the UCSC DAS 1.5
>> server -- I haven't tried accessing data from any other DAS servers
>> recently.
>> 
>> I'm forwarding to the genoviz-devel list for IGB developments and
>> discussion, to see if anyone currently working on IGB can add any more
>> info.
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Jim Procter
>> <jprocter at compbio.dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all (but Gregg in particular!)
>>> 
>>> I was wondering whether the DAS1 to DAS2 proxy component of Trellis/Ivy
>>> in the Genomancer project (http://code.google.com/p/genomancer/) is
>>> stable enough to use. We'd like to set up an in house DAS1->2 proxy and
>>> it looks like there's a moderate amount of commit activity in the
>>> project at the moment, making me a little nervous about attempting to
>>> use the code in a production(ish) setting.
>>> 
>>> many thanks in advance,
>>> Jim.
>>> 
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