[moby] Re: [MOBY-dev] lease versus agent for registry updating

[Mark Wilkinson]

We're certainly of like-mind at this end, though certain people ;-) at
myGrid think that the agent is the wrong way to go... I just don't see
it.  IMO a leasing model would be akin to leasing space in Google!

Anyway, we'll leave the question open for a couple of days and see if
any more optimal solutions come up.

M


On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 15:23 -0600, Paul Gordon wrote:
> I would go for the server polling the RDFs option.  In that way, there 
> could potentially be more than one MOBY Central (e.g. private ones) that 
> could simply get the provider RDF URL list from the "Master" MOBY 
> Central, and replicate the service registry (in whatever underlying data 
> store they like).  Decentralizing is good.
> 
> 
> >Ah... I missed the bit about a service being flagged as "temporarily
> >unavailable" rather than just flagged in general.  The reason we are
> >loathe to do that is it makes assumptions about the underlying data
> >store being able to capture that information (or at least, forces
> >queries on the underlying data store to then be passed through a post-
> >retrieval "available" filter implemented by the data adaptor)... 
> >
> >We're trying to make as few assumptions about the underlying store as
> >possible  - a minimum of information about the core functionality of a
> >service (i.e. at this point, the overlap between the MOBY and the Feta
> >data models)
> >
> >M
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 16:50 -0300, Boris Steipe wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Why not put the burden of the lease on the agent to combine the 
> >>advantages of both models? I.e. if service is down for less then a 
> >>specific time, it might not get deregistered but only flagged as 
> >>temporarily unavailable ... then un-flagged as it comes up again, 
> >>except if it's down for, say > 1week, then it gets deregistered.
> >>
> >>$0.02
> >>
> >>Boris
> >>
> >>On Friday, Aug 12, 2005, at 16:38 Canada/Atlantic, Mark Wilkinson wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hi all!
> >>>
> >>>Eddie and I are spending the day working on MOBY Central architecture
> >>>issues.  We've run into a question that has so many pros and cons that
> >>>we decided to toss it out to the list for other opinions.
> >>>
> >>>Keeping MOBY Central up-to-date:
> >>>
> >>>Method 1:  Agent
> >>>
> >>>An agent retrieves the list of SignatureURL's from the registry, and
> >>>crawls around retrieving the RDF from each of those URLs.  The RDF is
> >>>compared to what is in the registry, and updates/deletions are made.
> >>>
> >>>Consequence to service provider: a service providers machine goes down,
> >>>the service is deregistered (the agent can't retrieve the URL) and the
> >>>service provider must then actively re-register their services
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Method 2:  Lease
> >>>
> >>>Services have a time-stamp in the registry and expire after X time.
> >>>They must then be actively re-registered.
> >>>
> >>>Consequence to service provider:  Service providers must set up a cron
> >>>(or whatever) that is aware of all of their *current* Signature URL's
> >>>and can call MOBY Central to re-register their services on a regular
> >>>basis.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Both solutions seem to put an unwanted burden on the service providers,
> >>>but the burdens are different in nature and frequency.
> >>>
> >>>Which of these seems preferable?  Are there solutions we haven't 
> >>>thought
> >>>of?
> >>>
> >>>???
> >>>
> >>>Mark & Eddie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- 
> >>>"Ontologists do it with the edges!"
> >>>
> >>>Mark Wilkinson
> >>>Asst. Professor
> >>>Dept. of Medical Genetics
> >>>University of British Columbia
> >>>PI in Bioinformatics
> >>>iCAPTURE Centre
> >>>St. Paul's Hospital
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Mark Wilkinson
Asst. Professor
Dept. of Medical Genetics
University of British Columbia
PI in Bioinformatics
iCAPTURE Centre
St. Paul's Hospital
Rm. 166, 1081 Burrard St.
Vancouver, BC, V6Z 1Y6
tel: 604 682 2344 x62129
fax: 604 806 9274